magazine time to flee or fight back. i think that's what we're talking about how to move the argument forward reasonably. >> lee, do you own a weapon now? >> i do, yes. >> how many? >> three. >> three, you do, wow. i like having your perspective here, because i don't believe in owning guns, i don't but you do and you still think three is enough and you don't need an assault weapon. richard, final question to you. why did you start your own group. what do you think is wrong with the n.r.a. >> i don't know it is what is wrong with the n.r.a., i know that our organization, the i.s.o.a., we're a very pro-gun rights group, very pro law enforcement and very pro intelligent solutions to criminal justice problems. >> cenk: all right richard feldman and dr. lee rogers. thank you for joining us, we really appreciate it. >> we'll talk to a mom in oakland who's afraid to have a black son in oakland. why?